Abandoned AI Video Hanging Project

[Nyghtfall3D]

Seedance is free for a week on Krea.ai, so I've been testing its limits.

I have long maintained that AI video is nowhere near at a level of production quality that would meet my standards for creating fantasy death fetish content, which is why most of my work remains limited to photoreal comics. Seedance 2 is a new AI video model that represents a small step closer to what I would be willing to pay for and use, but even it has a long way to go, and after just 3 days into a 7-day promo, I've already learned that results miss far more than they hit.

This clip is a prime example of everything wrong with AI video for my needs. There is nothing about the attack that I like. Its only redeeming quality is the foot pose toward the end as my protagonist tenses up before going limp. I'm posting it here because I abandoned the project after nearly 30 iterations failed to deliver what I wanted, and @MCDesigns expressed an interest in seeing feet kicking while wearing heels in the thread for my first successful AI video.

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[MCDesigns]

Damn you and your OCD! LOL That was grea6t IMHO and much better than I have gotten trying to create the same scenario. I especially like the wire and effect. Mind sharing your prompts?

That is one thing I now think about. When an image or video doesn't come out like how i want, I then think "will others that are less critical like it?". so i am glad you posted this even thought it's not up to your standards.

 

[Nyghtfall3D]

I especially like the wire and effect.

The wire is the worst part. It was supposed to drop down in a vertical pose, and then pull back up after tightening around her neck, not wrap around the fucking pillar.

That is one thing I now think about. When an image or video doesn't come out like how i want, I then think "will others that are less critical like it?"

I have a self-imposed reputation I like to maintain, meaning I want to be known for sharing the highest-quality content I can.

Mind sharing your prompts?

Have at it, and good luck:

a thin wire drops down over the womans head and wraps around her neck. she gasps as the wire is pulled up behind her head and her hands fly up to her neck. then she immediately goes silent as the video cuts to a closeup of her feet being yanked up off the floor. her feet kick and strain to reach the floor. the video ends with her feet going limp.

Here are the image references I created with Nano Banana 2, for the Start and End frames:

 

[TailsWin]

Oh come on, this is pretty great.. We're still like what, one year, two years into the whole AI video thing?

Imagine if people in the 1970's looked at this

and be like "this is trash".

Okay the wire is a little goofy, but I like how it wraps around her hair. That's something even people doing trick video might forget.

Maybe you should be more specific. Was she even supposed to be leaning against the wall? I don't blame the generator for not figuring out how exactly the wire is supposed to look. If someone asked me to strangle a girl leaning against a wall, with a thin wire from above, I'm not sure I'd figure out how to do it either. Most such attacks in the movies occur with the neck being exposed, or in a car from behind.

 

[Nyghtfall3D]

Was she even supposed to be leaning against the wall?

Nope.

If someone asked me to strangle a girl leaning against a wall

It's supposed to be a support pillar for a second-floor balcony, and my prompt had her standing next to it.

I don't blame the generator for not figuring out how exactly the wire is supposed to look

Given the enormous amount of training data available on the web, I would think there would be at least one photo of a spool of wire in Seedance's dataset.

... I like how it wraps around her hair.

That was impressive, I'll give you that.

Most such attacks in the movies occur with the neck being exposed, or in a car from behind.

Can I help it if my fantasies are a little more... unique?

 

[TailsWin]

Given the enormous amount of training data available on the web, I would think there would be at least one photo of a spool of wire in Seedance's dataset.

Well that's the thing, you don't need just one photo, but probably a couple dozen (plus videos since this is a video gen), and well tagged, *and* to be sure it works right, this kind of scene would have to come up during training and be rated.

Considering that most of this is unlikely and the model had to conjure up the scene from all the other stuff it knows, it's remarkable.

Btw you probably wouldn't want a literal spool of wire falling down on her and wrapping around her neck, right? Honestly I don't even get what you imagined in the scene since you're saying there's nothing in here that you like.

Can I help it if my fantasies are a little more... unique?

Just pointing out that this is probably the only similar thing that might've come up in training data, getting strangled from behind around a car seat.

 

[Nyghtfall3D]

Btw you probably wouldn't want a literal spool of wire falling down on her and wrapping around her neck, right?

Uh... no. I was being facetious.

Honestly I don't even get what you imagined in the scene since you're saying there's nothing in here that you like.

To be clear, it got the spirit of what I had in mind - Woman in a library lassoed from above with a wire and lifted off the ground - but the execution has three other flaws that contribute to my dislike for the clip as a whole:

- The wire isn't vertical, drops too slowly, and in an unnaturally smooth motion.
- Her left hand shouldn't be in frame prior to the attack
- Her upper torso as she's being hoisted up in the medium wide shot looks stiff, like the last shot from A Nightmare on Elm Street when Nancy's mom gets yanked through the small window in the front door

Considering that most of this is unlikely and the model had to conjure up the scene from all the other stuff it knows, it's remarkable.

Granted, but my Johnson wasn't having it, regardless. The only time an iteration for a fetish-themed project works for me is when I feel a twinge in my cock upon seeing the output.

 

[TailsWin]

- The wire isn't vertical, drops too slowly, and in an unnaturally smooth motion.

Sounds like a problem of training data combined with imprecise prompting. From "a thin wire drops down over the womans head" you really can be glad it didn't just drop a full spool on her head lol.

Honestly I'm still not sure in what shape you meant the wire to be. Like a noose shape? I guess that would make the most sense, but then it probably wouldn't wrap around her neck/hair like that.

I still don't have access to any sort of video gen, but from what I know about the tech, one probably really should prompt these things with a timeline, like the wire dropping from 00m00s to 00m01s, or in ms if that can be specified. Otherwise you're just making the model guess what you want.

A loop of thin wire wrapping around something, maybe that's something commonly seen in other kinds of videos, like DIY hobby stuff, where it'd make sense that the motion is smooth and deliberate to show in detail. So maybe that's the training data it has seen, and it's bringing it over to the snuff.

 

[Nyghtfall3D]

Honestly I'm still not sure in what shape you meant the wire to be. Like a noose shape? I guess that would make the most sense, but then it probably wouldn't wrap around her neck/hair like that.

This is what I wanted it to look like, and do. It's a personal re-edit of the opening kill in a 2012 French flick called Blind Man:

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I've been waiting 14 years for 3D tech - and 3 years for AI tech - to develop far enough that I can create my own fetish version of it for any scenario I can imagine. Seedance is this >.< close to being the first AI model that can help me accomplish my goal for creating lift-up lasso-style hangings.

 

[TailsWin]

Well but that's not a realistic scene. It's movie magic.

There's a reason why there are 3 cuts in one second, and why there's that zing sound to help us figure out what's going on, because this whole thing is physically impossible. It's 2 separate shots. One is the loop dropping, but if it tried to pull her up, it would go vertically under her chin to over the top of her head, and would slip off as her head would inevitably flip backwards. That's actually what seems to happen, if you go frame by frame.

It's so quick that at first I thought the wire goes behind her. But, it does seem to go around her head, just not in a strangling way.

And the second shot is of a different wire around her neck, or maybe just a rubber band. It's not pulling her anywhere.

So the generator gave you its best guess of a realistic wire strangling with enough consistency that it could've been a single cut. But what you should've asked for is specific movie tricks with quick cuts inbetween. Or figure out the mechanics of this hanging that could really work

I do like the scene tho... Well, the girl.

 

[Nyghtfall3D]

Well but that's not a realistic scene. It's movie magic.

Well of course it's movie magic. I've always preferred stylized realism using any tricks necessary to pull off a desired effect.

So the generator gave you its best guess of a realistic wire strangling with enough consistency that it could've been a single cut.

Yeah. Exactly what I didn't want. Here's another example of what I do want:

I do like the scene tho... Well, the girl.

 

[TailsWin]

Yeah. Exactly what I didn't want.

You have to say so then... Your prompt asked for one cut, to the close-up of the feet, so that's what you got. You can't blame technology for not reading your mind. Diffusion models start with pure noise and try to find patterns of anything from anime cat girls space nebulae. Give it a chance and prompt it in detail, be the director.

That Punisher clip does the same thing: A couple quick cuts to reposition the rope. I'm not saying it's bad, I think it looks better this way anyway rather than try to do it in one single cut; but if you want to replicate that, you need to use similar tricks.

 

[Nyghtfall3D]

You have to say so then... Your prompt asked for one cut, to the close-up of the feet, so that's what you got.

I didn’t say I didn't get the cuts I wanted. That medium shot wasn't even in my prompt - Seedance added it. My prompt specifically asked for a cut straight to her feet, right after her neck is lassoed, and to stay on her feet for the remainder of the clip.

My complaint was that I didn’t get the physics I wanted. I posted those two clips solely as examples of how I wanted the wire to behave.

But, this is all academic anyway. Seedance is too expensive to use without a promo. I'm sticking with static images until Krea offers another promo.